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April 7, 2004, 10:26 PM
Does God Kill ? YES but what does God really Kill?
"The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name." (Exodus 15:3)
Was it God, or the devil, who said: "I will strew your flesh upon the mountains, and fill the valleys with your carcass. I will drench the land even to the mountains with your flowing blood..."
Was it God, or the devil, who said: "Therefore fathers shall eat their sons in the midst of you and sons shall eat their fathers...I will send famine and wild beasts against you and they shall rob you of your children; pestilence and blood shall pass through you; and I will bring a sword upon you."
Was it God, or the devil, who said: "Behold, I will corrupt your seed and spread dung upon your faces..."
Was it God, or the devil, who said: "Pass through the city after him, and smite; your eye shall not spare and you shall show no pity; slay old men outright, young men and maidens, little children and women..."
Was it God, or the devil, who said: "...I will take your wives before your eyes and give them to your neighbor, and he shall lie with your wives in the light of this sun."
Was it god, or the devil, who said: "Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."
Was it God, or the devil, who said: "Samar'ia shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open."
Was it God, or the devil, who killed every man, woman, child and animal on earth because he lost his temper with them? Was it God, or the devil, who killed 50,000 of his children for merely looking into the ark of the covenant? Was it God, or the devil, who killed every firstborn child in Egypt for the deed of the Pharaoh?
Obviously, it is Jehovah who did all of these atrocities. But I ask you, under similar circumstances, what would the devil have done? Allow yourself to think about that. Could a devil have done worse? In fact, please find one instance in the bible of the devil actually killing someone. You will not be able to.
The links below, most of which were written by me, will show how, as a moral foundation, the bible crumbles into dust.
As we have seen the old testament is filled with scripture about killing babies, fathers and mothers. Fathers and mothers eating each other and their children, god raping women after himself eating their children.
his God loves to savour the smell of burnt animal sacrifices, and likes to eat the livers of the dead beasts. And if God is not directly wiping out entire tribes of people, he has his Hench men do it for him, his generals and so forth.
What does it all mean?
The reason that many so called reborn Christians have become atheists, is because they've actually spent the time to read their bibles, but not quite well enough, because they've missed some key scriptures, like the ones that say all things are parables, I the Lord speaks in parables, don't be a minister of the letter, and I god likes to conceal a thing. etc.
The problem is that the christian turned atheist, did so based upon what kind of God is in the old testament. Not realizing that what he was reading reading was dark sayings of old, which is MYTHOLOGY, now mythology all over the earth is filled with the higher gods eating or swallowing new Born's, animal and human sacrifices etc. If you read myths, you'll find these same similarities.
So the Christian turned atheist can't live under revengeful, killing God. But is this God really revengeful and murderous? And the answer is unequivocally no, because again its mythology.
If its mythology, then what does it mean?
Let me say first that the bible is a mind book, it is not a nutritional book, telling you what to eat, and how to wear your hair, and cut your beard. It is a book of mind science, how do we know?
The bible says that God dwells in temples made without tools, and during the construction of the temple, the sound of no tool could be heard, and the temple has an outer court, and an inner court.
The human brain has a dura mater (outer covering) pia mater (inner covering called tender mother), so here you have the outer court and inner court that the bible talks about. Its the human brain, just look at the Gods picture on the brain on micheal angelos sistine chapel.
The bible says look not lo here nor lo there, for the kingdom of God is within you. And the book of Barnabas says that God doesn't dwell in temples made of brick and mortar, lift up a rock and there he will be, split a piece of wood and there he is.
The cherubim in the book of Ezekiel is the cerebrum of the brain, and the word cere means to cover. Its the covering of the temple (brain)
The tabernacle of the bible is the brain there was a veil that separated the two chambers, in the brain you have an arachnoid, and it separates the two halves of your brain. Jesus had twelve disciples, and you have twelve cranial nerves in your brain.
Some other names for the brain are Zion, the city of David, Galilee, Golgotha ( which means skull).
Any time someone was entering a city in the bible and wiping out the inhabitants, it was always the brain, keep this in mind when you read the bible, "and he entered the city from the East" etc. Its always talking about the brain or mind.
Ok, so what is all this God killing, eating and smoting, and savoring dead burnt animals? The animals were always brought to the alter, before God, and left as burnt offerings to appease God.
Now why would and omnipresent omnipotent God require such things? keep in mind that taken literally, puts God in the same class as heathen Gods of the jungle tribes and native islanders of the past and present.
So then if the one true God is really different, then why does he need all the blood atonement, human and animal sacrifices?
Because he doesn't, because it means something else, because its mythology.
Remember the Noah allegory, when all the animals were put in the ark, and it arrived on the mountain top safely. Well this is an allegorical account of man overcoming his animal carnal nature. So I'm telling you that all of the animal sacrifices were symbolic offerings of your FIRST thoughts.
Why the first THOUGHTS? because when ever you hear something, your first thoughts arise from the emotional nature of your body, and they are usually always wrong, and if acted upon would cause people to get harmed, including yourself.
That's why all the first born belong to God, its your first born thoughts. arising out of your animal instincts, these thoughts were not of the higher mind. The whole bible is a book showing us that we all need to move from the lower animal mind to the higher Christ consciousness, that's it in its essence and truth.
So you bring these animal thoughts to the temple and out them in the alter of fire and God will consume them, burnt and all, also God really likes the liver, why the liver, because the liver is the body's sewage plant, and symbolically it represents all the filth of these thoughts, so every bit can be consumed. You see none of this stuff is literal, its all symbols of rising to the higher mind , mt. Zion, the city of David etc.
So again when God commands mothers to dash their babies against rocks, its not literal babies, its those first thoughts created in the desire world, ruled by the ego, the same for baby boys, its the first thoughts, that arise from the animal nature, and there to be eaten (killed out) of your thought pattern, your consciousness.
Women are always used as symbols because of their emotional nature, That's why women are used as a negative throughout the bible. Its the thought patterns of your mind. God so loves the smell of those dead and rotting carcasses ( evil thoughts) created and arise as the first born. So there you have it!
God kills and rapes a woman, this is a symbolic statement of course, if God is spirit (electromagnetic energy) how can this energy rape a woman, well it cant of course, so look for the metaphysical meaning.
It could mean that since god killed out the negative thought, the mothers baby, the mother being the whore, or lower mind state, then god rapes her, in other words, the raping signifies the interference to the lower from God, God intervenes and overcomes the lower mind, The entire bible is to be read like this.
All of your animal desires are to be burnt at the alter of the lord, the third ventricle of the brain, where the fornix is located and the for AMEN which is biblically the mercy seat.
This is where the sacrifice takes place, and the human consciousness is changed, when you reach such a state in your spiritual growth, your words and thoughts no longer arise from the lower quality mind, the intellectual, the emotional and the physical, instead they arise from Mt. Zion, the city of David, mt. arrarat, galilee, golgotha etc.
So let God eat your first born, let God rape your women, let God eat the blood and fat of these burnt offerings, Let God kill those menenites, cananites etc. those armies of negative thoughts you and I have every waking day, because by doing so it is purifying your mind, to a higher state.
And so is the nature of God
"It is the glory of God to conceal a thing, and have the kings of the earth (you and I) search it out"
"And Oh, doth I the lord not speak in parables?"
You've heard it said that if you are angry or mad, sit down first think it over before you act, give it an hour or so, even a whole day, why? because you'll have acted out from the emotional level (the animal state), so wait, then what, 'think differently, and have a different reaction. Give those first born to God. And the outcome for all concerned will be better.
All there is is mind, mind is everything, all things good or bad arise from the mind.
Good things arise from the higher mind, likewise bad things arise from the lower mind.
So don't eat pork, really means don't consume the lower quality thoughts arising from your animal nature, pigs are symbols of filth, so don't flood the mind with (consume) PORK oink! oink!
Instead give up barnums animals to the lord, for he so savours and loves the smell and taste of them.
THE BIBLE AS SYMBOL
Our first order of business in this quest is to see if we can justify considering the Bible as symbolic rather then literal. We must use the Bible itself.
1.2Corinthians 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. So here is the Bible itself telling us not to take it literally.
2. Galatians 4:24 Which things are an allegory: the definition of a myth includes the term allegory. Here again the Bible tells us it is symbolic.
3. Matthew 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them: The Bible is saying that all of Jesus statements were symbolic.
4. Mark 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: Here the fact that this is all consciousness is made clear. It says to know the mystery of the Kingdom of God. Where is the Kingdom of God?
(Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.) The statement concludes by saying that "unto them that are without". Outside of the meditative state. Outside of the inner realm of consciousness where exists the Kingdom of God.
5. Psalm 78:2 I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old: Here the Bible states that GOD speaks in parables. And what are dark sayings of old. Obviously they are symbolic statements.
6. In the Book of Proverbs describes wisdom. It explains how one becomes wise. Proverbs 1:6 To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark sayings. Dark sayings is mythology.
7. And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. 2 cor.4:3
8. But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away. 2 cor. 3:14
9. We should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter." (Romans 7:6)
10. Then said I, Ah Lord GOD! they say of me, Doth he not speak in parables? EZ:20 Here God speaks in parables
11. 1Cr 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, [even] the hidden [wisdom], which God ordained before the world unto our glory. Here it says god ordained the hidden wisdom, even before the world
12. Eze. 17:2 Son of man, put forth a riddle, and speak a parable unto the house of Israel. God orders riddles
13. Jdg.14:19 And the Spirit of the LORD came upon him, and he went down to Ashkelon, and slew thirty men of them, and took their spoil, and gave change of garments unto them which expounded the riddle. And his anger was kindled, and he went up to his father's house. Here it says god was pleased when they cracked the riddle, and rewarded them.
14. Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of GOD to conceal a thing: but honor of kings is to search out a matter. And here its Gods honor to conceal things, and make you figure it out.
15. Isaiah 9,10 And he said, Go and tell this people, hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. Make the heart of this people fat, make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes.
Here again we see that God speaks in mysteries, riddles and parables, He puts riddles in peoples mouths, he shuts their eyes and ears, and that is Gods glory that he conceal a thing, and make you and I search it.
There’s no doubt is there, about what is being said here, the Bible was written in a certain metaphorical, symbolic language of old, which is mythology.
DISSIDENT AGGRESSOR
April 7, 2004, 10:53 PM
Now I'm hungry :D
buddahead
April 7, 2004, 11:39 PM
The entire book of revelations in the bible is about a war in HEAVEN, this war takes place in the human psyche, as you will see.
Armageddon in revelations is the war between the physical and the spiritual parts in man/woman, the higher mind vs. the lower mind. The end of the world means the end of your lower nature controlling the thought patterns of your mind. It is not an account of the end of the physical world like so many religions proclaim.
The world in the biblical concept means the physical, the worldly man/woman, who has never risen to the higher mind, but remained steeped in the traditions of man and religion, this is the real meaning of the word WORLD.
The whole of revelations is written in a symbolism and metaphoric language, stars falling to earth, horses flying out of heaven etc. It is an account of war that goes on in the human mind. But religion has totally misssed the point, and read this story as well as the rest of the bible as literal.
buddahead
April 7, 2004, 11:42 PM
A great portent appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and on her head a crown of twelve stars. She was pregnant, and was crying out in birth pangs, in the agony of giving birth.
Heaven is within you : look not lo here nor lo there, for the kingdom of God is within you, says the Bible. The woman clothed with the sun is the higher mind, the moon under her feet is the lower nature, the moon represented sin, because it shown the reflection of the physical, the cart for the lower nature .
A crown of twelve stars, is the zodiac and 12 cranial nerves, and the magnetism entering the brain, once this happens, you are changed.. The pregnancy is the Christ child hidden inside the solar plexus crying out to rise up to the head (kundalini). And there is much pain involved, life’s trials, ridicule from friends and family, your efforts in understanding all equate to the birth pangs of your emerging christ consciousness.
Infidelettante
April 7, 2004, 11:48 PM
Amos, you catching this? Amos? You there?
buddahead
April 8, 2004, 12:15 AM
Then another portent appeared in heaven: a great red dragon with seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads. His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven, and threw them to the earth.
A terrifying huge, all-powerful being. Then the dragon stood before the woman who was about to bear a child, so that he might devour her child as soon as it was born. And she gave birth to a son, a male child.
Another portent in heaven, means those negative aspects of your lower nature represented by the dragon, those negative thoughts that bring you back to the snake pit of your solar plexus region that keep you from rising to the higher consciousness.
He had seven heads and ten horns and seven diadems, The seven heads are These six parts of our psyche have their basis in the human body making SEVEN, the Chakras or nerve centers on the spine are SEVEN. The descent of the Monad to the physical plane is symbolized as a passage through the TEN centers of the Tree of Life.
The tree of life is the ancient kabala understanding of the life force in the body. The interaction of the Higher Self with the Lower Self is portrayed by two interlinked Deltas. These are symbolized by the Star of David and the Seal of Solomon.
These demonstrate the final goal of your Earthly life. The upper triad is that of the Sun (Christ) or Higher Self. The lower triad is associated with the Moon, and the lower nature. The woman is the mind, the child to be born is the higher mind, the Christ within.
The seven diadems are the six psychic centers and the body as stated above equals seven, but diadem means to bind or encase like a crown, having authority. So if you understand the symbolism it means that the lower nature is mustering up all the forces it can to keep one from attaining the higher mind. And these lower qualities stands before the woman (the higher mind)
to cause one to revert back to their lower nature to devour, keep the Christ child from unfolding in you as in the story of lot, signified by lots wife looking back and turning into a pillar of salt, Lots wife is the lower nature of the human psyche.
The male child always signifies those higher qualities in the human nature, the higher thoughts, the dragon or lower nature stands watch to kill out the heavenly desires, to devour the Christ child as it is born within you.
His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven, and threw them to the earth. This signifies the one third of the triad of the physical life, the physical, the intellectual, the emotional. One of these represented by the triad, is swept away or is no longer in control of the mind. Of course there’s two thirds to go, and will disappear in meditation.
buddahead
April 8, 2004, 01:03 AM
More proof of the bible as a mind/thought book
When Jesus said, "A man’s enemies shall be those of his own house", he was not necessarily referring to flesh and blood. It seems to me that he was referring to the lower levels of consciousness in our bodies and its false ego.
The Gospel of Thomas has some interesting comments of Jesus on the subject of bringing some of these levels of Consciousness together in unity. "If two shall make peace with each other in this house [our mind ] they will say to the mountain, ‘Move away’ and it will move away."
The two that shall make peace are at least two of three natures, the intellectual, the physical, and the emotional, the black horse, the pale horse and the red horse of revelations, the white horse is of couse pegasus and it is the higher christ consciousness. Of course horses dont fly, but they do in mythology.
buddahead
Elkis
April 8, 2004, 03:52 AM
The bible, for a lot of people has served its purpose while for some it is still a good reference material. I do read between the lines and use the lessons in it for my benefit and advancement.
I cannot comprehend how it eludes the minds of so many posters here that the God of the Old Testament, when it advocates love, is the real God.
When this God advocates hate and killing, clearly, God here, is the writer's camouflage for the despicable and barbaric act of genocide with the ultimate purpose of land grabbing.
Plognark
April 8, 2004, 07:24 AM
I cannot comprehend how it eludes the minds of so many posters here that the God of the Old Testament, when it advocates love, is the real God.
When this God advocates hate and killing, clearly, God here, is the writer's camouflage for the despicable and barbaric act of genocide with the ultimate purpose of land grabbing.
What I can't comprehend is how people keep defending such a barbaric book, or how people can pick and chose and interpret what they want for the sake of their own arguments and convenience. :confused: :rolleyes:
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Joyfilled
April 8, 2004, 07:37 AM
If you really want to understand the bible then you have to ask God to come into your heart. If you don't want to understand the bible then why do you keep asking the same questions over and over again?
Oxymoron
April 8, 2004, 07:51 AM
If you really want to understand the bible then you have to ask God to come into your heart. If you don't want to understand the bible then why do you keep asking the same questions over and over again?
The moment you can demonstrate the existence of God beyond reasonable doubt, I swear I will think seriously about this (though actually he's been a bit of a sod to my family what with the cancer and all and the Holocaust and Rwanda and so on, that so I might actually tell the sod where to stick it).
Just out of interest, which comes first: belief in God or acceptance of the bible as the truth, because if we can't do the latter without the former then one disappears up one's own ass (logically speaking).
buddahead
April 8, 2004, 10:44 AM
Now war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon. The dragon and his angels fought back, but they were defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven.
The great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent who is called the Devil, and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world. He was thrown down to earth and his angels were thrown down with him.
The war in heaven, again its in your head. Michael and his angels are the angles of light from above that represent God or messenger particles come to kill the lower nature, the Dragon.
The dragon and his forces, angles of light, lost the battle and was thrown down, the lower nature is no longer in control of your mind, whom is the deceiver, the Maya, meaning illusion. You have overcome, and are now operating from the higher mind.
How you are fallen from heaven, O day star, son of dawn. How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low. You said in your heart—note these five things—‘I will ascend to heaven. I will raise my throne above the stars of God. I will sit on the mount of assembly. I will ascend to the top of the clouds. I will make myself like the Most High.’ But you are brought down to Sheol to the depths of the pit.
The lower nature is overcome , represented by the physical, the intellect and the emotional which are the lower nature binding quality centers in man, the physical aspect as apposed to the spiritual.
The higher mind sits on top of the mountain (the head) top of the clouds, the most high. The devil, represented by the lower or animal nature in man must now stay in Sheol or hell.
So when the dragon saw that he had been thrown down to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. Then the dragon was angry with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her children.
Here the lower nature realizes it lost the battle with higher nature , signified by the woman, which means higher mind. but will continue to work on your psyche, and try and bring you back down. As the Bible says elsewhere, Man falls short of the glory of God every day, meaning we always revert back to those negative thoughts, the flying and creeping things of the subconscious mind.
The rest of her children are the positive good thoughts that rise from this new Christ consciousness. So the Dragon stays busy in us, until we have truly overcome the lower nature quality of our minds.
buddahead
April 8, 2004, 10:47 AM
Now you know the truth, the whole story in revelations is one of the higher forces of your psyche in battle with those of the lower, The carnal nature in Man/woman.
In nature there is a positive and negative, a yin and yang, these are the opposing forces inherent in all life, for there would be no life without these opposing forces. You can never rid yourself of your animal lower nature but you can control them, which is represented by the EGO (Satan). This is the meaning of the NOAH allegory.
To aid your fellow man, instead of casting blame and finding fault, to be of service to humanity, for the sake of your own growth and salvation, forget about going to church, how about start caring about one an others feelings, this is truly the way.
But first the six stone waterpots must be filled with fresh water. These represent the six major occult centers of the body (chakras).The 7th is the crown, where you see god face to face. In the unregenerate and animal these are lacking spiritual fire, cold as stones.
They are "dead in sin" and minister only to the animal nature. They are the wells of physical pleasures at which the lower self drinks and makes merry. But there comes a time when their forces no longer satisfy. The thirsty Soul craves something new and truly satisfying. Then the yearning
The stars represent cosmic Beings. Animals represent the predatory desires. Lions and tigers are symbols of animal–like passions, lusts and desires, which everyone who seeks to tread the Path of swift unfoldment must face.
Indeed he must face them alone, and overcome them, not by their repression but by transmuting the forces of which they are an expression into positive creative wisdom and fruit–fulness.
This can be achieved only by each one for and by himself, alone and largely unaided. Meditation is the way, for it is the only vehicle to the inward journey of the mind. Look not lo here nor lo there, for the kingdom is within you, says the bible.
When one overcomes the passions of the lower ego represented by the animal signs and animal nature of man/woman kind, only then does he arrive at the mountain top, and has truly overcome. And then one such will sit at the right hand of the father, the right hemisphere of the brain.
And no longer operate from the EGO/SATAN/ left brain. Be still and know that I am god, means to still the mind in meditation, the masters of the east have known this for thousands of years, but largely hidden to the western world, although, it is written in the very same bible, Christians carry under their arm, while going to church.
Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, for you have shut up the kingdom of god, because you do not go in yourself (meditate) and you don’t teach the people to go in. Taken from your bible.
The Bible and all of the ancient myths of the earth are filled with stories of some warrior slaying dragons, serpents lions and other wild beasts, as in the 12 labors of Hercules allegory. You are the warrior, the beasts are your lower nature and as able slew cain, so you must slay him also, you must overcome the desires of the ego/physical, to attain the higher mind.
4:14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. Its The lower nature
Genesis 4:8 Now we get to the part where Cain plots the death of Abel. Remember this is allegory. It really is referring to the carnal part of your mind that works diligently to overcome any leanings to the spiritual.
That part that is in harmony with God, (Abel), can be destroyed by the part that is not, (Cain). Yet both parts, carnal and spiritual are important for us to function as individuals.
Genesis 4:14 points out what we are referring to. The suggestion is that Cain will be slain again and again. Notice the wording.
"everyone that finds me shall slay me".
This means that there will be a feeling of total revulsion against the lower mind . Where do you see that. You see it in religion.. There is an attitude of totally eliminating any involvement with the lower carnal mind, with the flesh. But.
Genesis 4:15 says that a mark is placed on Cain to protect him. It is important that all life function with positive and negative. It is inherent in nature. So the scripture tells us that God will not allow the destruction of the negative or lower animal part of human kind.
But, it is equally important to understand that the lower part must not be allowed to hold sway over the higher. Cain must take second place to Abel. The physical must take second place to the spiritual, or it will self destruct.
Mental institutions are filled with such individuals. The bible as a cosmological mind book, is really a psychology book, cloaked in mysterious symbolic accounts of real mind science.
buddahead
April 8, 2004, 10:51 AM
The pituitary Gland secretes a yellowish fluid, and the Pineal gland secretes a white fluid. When the two meet combined with the electrical energy rising from the solar plexus, there is a flash of light so bright that the third eye (Ajna Center) is opened.
Here then, the two fluids, known in the Bible as the land of Milk and Honey, begin to flow down the pancreatic nerve (The river Jordan) to the third center, which Is known as the manger where Christ consciousness is born within you. When this takes place, your animals are set free.
This is the real meaning of the crucifixion, to crucify the lower animal nature, Which happens only via MEDITATION on the third eye center or pineal gland, which is the light receptor of the body. Then you have won the WAR.
Edgar Cayce Weote:
Chapter 4-11: ªª Christ opens the seals of the book in heaven
John now appears at the throne of God and sees four beasts and twenty-four elders around it.ª On the throne sits God who has a book with seven seals.ª John weeps when he learns that no one can open the seals to the book.
One of the elders tells John that Christ is able to open the seals.ªªChrist then opens the seals, resulting in many earth changes.ª The seventh seal unleashes seven angels who sound seven trumpets which are sounded one by one.
Interpretation:
John has a mental awakening when he attains the spiritual level of the Christ Consciousness, within the throne of his own body.ª The four beasts are his four lower spiritual center's desires and the twenty-four elders are the twenty-four cranial nerves that lead to his five senses.ª The superconscious, the Christ Mind, is now in full control of John's body.
The body is symbolized by a book with seven seals which no one has the ability to open on his own (verse 5:3). Only through the development of the Mind of Christ within a person's being by experience can these spiritual centers be opened.
As each spiritual center is opened, different parts of the body are purified and upheavals of the body occur mentally, physically, and spiritually. The Christ Consciousness opens the seventh center, the pituitary, as a result of perfect control of the mind for one half hour (verse 8:1).
Leviticus
8:28 And Moses took them from off their hands, and burnt [them] on the altar upon the burnt offering: they [were] consecrations for a sweet savour: it [is] an offering made by fire unto the LORD.
8:29 And Moses took the breast, and waved it [for] a wave offering before the LORD: [for] of the ram of consecration it was Moses' part; as the LORD commanded Moses.
8:30 And Moses took of the anointing oil, and of the blood which [was] upon the altar, and sprinkled [it] upon Aaron, [and] upon his garments, and upon his sons, and upon his sons' garments with him; and sanctified Aaron, [and] his garments, and his sons, and his sons' garments with him.
8:31 And Moses said unto Aaron and to his sons, Boil the flesh [at] the door of the tabernacle of the congregation: and there eat it with the bread that [is] in the basket of consecrations, as I commanded, saying, Aaron and his sons shall eat it.
8:32 And that which remaineth of the flesh and of the bread shall ye burn with fire.
8:33 And ye shall not go out of the door of the tabernacle of the congregation [in] seven days, until the days of your consecration be at an end: for seven days shall he consecrate you.
In the above you have the energy rising through the seven chakras or nerve centers, you have a wave offering, quantum physics explains that the act of observation collapses the wave and you have the brain which is the tabernacle.
8:21 And he washed the inwards and the legs in water; and Moses burnt the whole ram upon the altar: it [was] a burnt sacrifice for a sweet savour, [and] an offering made by fire unto the LORD; as the LORD commanded Moses
9:18 He slew also the bullock and the ram [for] a sacrifice of peace offerings, which [was] for the people: and Aaron's sons presented unto him the blood, which he sprinkled upon the altar round about,
9:19 And the fat of the bullock and of the ram, the rump, and that which covereth [the inwards], and the kidneys, and the caul [above] the liver:
9:20 And they put the fat upon the breasts, and he burnt the fat upon the altar:
9:21 And the breasts and the right shoulder Aaron waved [for] a wave offering before the LORD; as Moses commanded.
9:22 And Aaron lifted up his hand toward the people, and blessed them, and came down from offering of the sin offering, and the burnt offering, and peace offerings.
9:23 And Moses and Aaron went into the tabernacle of the congregation, and came out, and blessed the people: and the glory of the LORD appeared unto all the people.
9:24 And there came a fire out from before the LORD, and consumed upon the altar the burnt offering and the fat: [which] when all the people saw, they shouted, and fell on their faces.
What you have just read is what much of the old testament is about, its about giving dead animals to the lord, and God loves the smell of dead and rotting animals and their parts, he savors them. Now all of this taken liyerally, makes God Obsurd , a pagan god of old, not any kind of omnipotent, omnipresent being, but one of vengence and hate etc.
But if you read it symbolically like its meant to be, remember (dont be a minister of the LETTER for the letter KILLS. And I speak in parables says the lord.
Then look for the symbolic meaning, which is when you have raised the spinal fluid to the brain into the fornix or furnace, your animals are smote before the lord, in the tabernacle which is your brain. You give up your animal nature to that which is spiritual, and the lord so loves the smell, the sweet savor.
In Galatians 5:24, we are told that Christians "have crucified the sinful nature." We have put it to death and consider it dead, no longer exercising power over us. This is one of the ways we daily carry our cross. Our old nature has been "crucified with [Christ] so that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to the lower
Revelation 11:8. And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified
buddahead
April 8, 2004, 10:53 AM
When one has pushed the kundalini energy up through the spinal fluid to the brain, the animal desires are no longer in control of the mind. There still there, they must always be there, because they are part of your physical make up.
Just no longer on control of the words that come out of your mouth, HE IS. This is the NOAH'S ARK allegory. You have risen atop mount arrarat, when you have overcome the lower animal qualities of your mind. You have experienced the crucifixion, in sodom and egypt.
The entire Bible is a book of mysterious sayings, mystical and symbolic statements, allegory, parables and dark sayings. But the truth is hidden in these stories , in the HIDDEN MEANINGS.
The Evil One
April 8, 2004, 12:07 PM
See the times of the last few posts on this thread.
Either buddahead is a speedtyping prodigy, or he's cutting-and-pasting from another source.
The Evil One
April 8, 2004, 12:09 PM
I cannot comprehend how it eludes the minds of so many posters here that the God of the Old Testament, when it advocates love, is the real God.
When this God advocates hate and killing, clearly, God here, is the writer's camouflage for the despicable and barbaric act of genocide with the ultimate purpose of land grabbing.
Is this sarcasm?
"When the Bible is in agreement with my personal theology, it's clearly the real God talking. When the Bible says something contrary to my personal theology, clearly, God didn't say it, some human just pretended it was him."
You know you can use that approach to prove just about anything, don't you?
Queen of Swords
April 8, 2004, 02:01 PM
If you really want to understand the bible then you have to ask God to come into your heart.
God the father or god the son or god the holy spirit? On a previous thread, you made it clear that we needed #3; which one are you referring to here?
If you don't want to understand the bible then why do you keep asking the same questions over and over again?
If god answered them, or sent someone who could, we wouldn't need to, would we?
Yahzi
April 8, 2004, 02:44 PM
There’s no doubt is there, about what is being said here, the Bible was written in a certain metaphorical, symbolic language of old, which is mythology.
If the Bible is mythology, then the Resurrection is mythology. Which means it did not happen. Which means "all our preaching is in vain." Or was Paul being metaphorical when he said that?
To assert the Bible is mythology is to reject Christianity. I certainly agree, but you seem to have put the cart before the horse.
The reason people will not reject the Bible is because they understand this. People do not believe in God because of the Bible: they believe in the Bible because of God.
semihippie
April 8, 2004, 06:15 PM
Joyfilled
Maybe you need to take off the blinders that your indoctrination has put on you and go read the bible for what it really says, not what you want to.
fishbulb
April 8, 2004, 06:36 PM
I cannot comprehend how it eludes the minds of so many posters here that the God of the Old Testament, when it advocates love, is the real God.
When this God advocates hate and killing, clearly, God here, is the writer's camouflage for the despicable and barbaric act of genocide with the ultimate purpose of land grabbing.
And yet, the vast majority of Christians belong to denominations that have not edited the Bible to remove these passages. Very few ministers and preachers have stood in front of their congregation and said, "only parts of this book are the true word of God; the rest is the self-serving tripe of some genocidal apologist."
The Holy Bible found in churches and motel rooms everywhere still contains all of the parts about God approving of the slaughter of one's enemies and the raping of their women.
When children are given Bibles as graduation or birthday presents, those Bibles come complete with all the parts about rape and war and genocide and murder. I guess those kids are just supposed to know which parts are the Holy parts and which parts are the vile hate propaganda of evil men.
I would find it a lot more convincing if Bible believers would state, up front and in writing, which parts of the Bible they believe are literally true, which parts are metaphorical, and which parts are made-up lies; put them in three separate works; and call at most two of them holy. As it stands, they seem to want to eat their cake and have it: declare the Bible to be the Word of God, except when it isn't.
ekis
April 8, 2004, 06:52 PM
Is this sarcasm? In hindsight, probably.
"When the Bible is in agreement with my personal theology, it's clearly the real God talking. When the Bible says something contrary to my personal theology, clearly, God didn't say it, some human just pretended it was him."IMO, peace and ultimately LOVE is the universal or multi versal theology. I was referring to that level in my post.
You know you can use that approach to prove just about anything, don't you?Kindly bear with the erratic me. I will remember your advice. I wish everyone could do too. Thank you.
buddahead
April 8, 2004, 10:51 PM
If the Bible is mythology, then the Resurrection is mythology. Which means it did not happen. Which means "all our preaching is in vain." Or was Paul being metaphorical when he said that?
To assert the Bible is mythology is to reject Christianity. I certainly agree, but you seem to have put the cart before the horse. The reason people will not reject the Bible is because they understand this. People do not believe in God because of the Bible: they believe in the Bible because of God.
Yes one would have to reject Christianity, because religion in general christianity if you will has not taught these truths in the bible. Why?
you'll heve to ask them, I don't know, maybe because religion is for control, and power, and they dont care if you know the true nature of the myths.
Religion is evil lunacy, but I attest that the bible is true and it is mythology, axe heads floating on water, snakes and donkeys talking, God raping women, and dashing babies, if one really believes such silliness then one obviously still believes in santa claus and the easter bunny.
So obviously it means something else, but your average christian fudie has no idea, because the real meaning has been lost with the ages, just the song the twelve days of christmas, and the london bridge is falling down etc.
maybe the fundie cant be blamed totally for not understanding that the bible stories are myths, maybe we have to put the blame on religion, christianity if you will.
As far as the crucifixion is concerned, ok so it didn't really happen, but its supposed to happen in us, when we pass over to the promised land, the Higher mind, we then crucify the lower animal quality of our nature.
Whats more important the symbol, or the real thing?
buddahead
Devilnaut
May 8, 2004, 12:09 AM
If the Bible is mythology, then the Resurrection is mythology. Which means it did not happen.
You are missing the nail in this board: if the Resurrection is mythology then this means that it is metaphysical metaphor, and not only did it happen, it is not even "unique" to one man (as literal interpretations or words are, which is why they are actually false and secondary to God): it can be achieved by any man.
Buddahead, the reason that there is religion (and I'm thinking of Catholicism here), is that like anything, the story must be digested literally before it can have a chance to be sown into the garden.
We will not understand this process and indeed the walls of the temple will not make any sound when they are being built, because really, things are getting built into those walls that we don't know about at all (and we are lucky to not know about them!).
The overall advantage here (to call it an "advantage" is certainly an understatement; it is one of the most keen insights in human history) is that when we are ready and face the midnight of our lives (never on our terms:
quite the opposite), the forces that will clash within our mind will have names and decoration associated with them, making passage more colorful and conflict driven (you'll notice that mature Catholics decorate their churches).
The reason that religion is how it is, and they do not accompany their books with an explanation such as yours (or mine), is that what we are saying here is about as far from the truth as possible, from the perspective of the follower.
Remember here that salvation is not an ego driven process (this is the path to hell) and it has to be a system shock or it will be impossible to discover that nail for your cross (the nail is not crafted, it is a gift).
If you really want to understand the bible then you have to ask God to come into your heart.
Unfortunately, my dear, it isn't so simple. Then again maybe it is, all you really have to do is wait your turn :banghead: ;)
Devilnaut
May 8, 2004, 12:21 AM
To put it a different way, there are no ladders into heaven. To describe it literally is to "subject readers to a great hoax", as Alan Watts put it. It will place heaven in your temple and we don't want that to happen because Eve likes to wander through there (she does inventory you know, but the place is never full), and when she gets a hold of something she doesn't like to let go
(imagine here a blind and healthy, vibrant Eve acting through fiery ambition, and a wonderfully colorful explosion when she helps us run head first into the wall, versus a puritan with a "tainted Eve" who prays after "soiling themselves" sitting on the toilet The metaphor always must be one step ahead in order to remain "out of reach".
It reminds me of a soundgarden song called Burden in My Hand, the line "the moon is glued to a picture of heaven". The moon is Mary and her place in the basement will get more cramped as Eve grows the temple, and if Eve starts to grow it into the basement (stealing poor Mary's virginity)
then we are in big trouble, because Eve thinks she's going up and up (that's her job!) but now she's not headed for a crash anymore, just a spiral that may just last forever (until we die "at the foot of the cross").
Al Kafirun
May 8, 2004, 12:35 AM
We are through the looking-glass, people! LOL We got Cayce, mysticism... what else. Lordy, lordy.
Anyhoo, no Judaism wasn't a mystical religion. It was tribal rule book, and yes God demanded and often received blood. The instances when that contention was fallacy, is when the authors of the OT take credit for fictional wars, etc.
And its no coincidence or revision that Christianity followed this tradition.
If you don't believe me, then well, I'm in a trance and receiving this info straight from Yahweh! OoooEeeeeOoooo.
May 8, 2004, 12:36 AM
And yet, the vast majority of Christians belong to denominations that have not edited the Bible to remove these passages. Very few ministers and preachers have stood in front of their congregation and said, "only parts of this book are the true word of God; the rest is the self-serving tripe of some genocidal apologist."
The Holy Bible found in churches and motel rooms everywhere still contains all of the parts about God approving of the slaughter of one's enemies and the raping of their women.
When children are given Bibles as graduation or birthday presents, those Bibles come complete with all the parts about rape and war and genocide and murder. I guess those kids are just supposed to know which parts are the Holy parts and which parts are the vile hate propaganda of evil men.
You know what I'm noticing though? New Testaments only. On my ship the Chaplin has a stack of little green books.
"The Good News", supposedly. (I wonder what the Good News is? Jesus is fat free? Considering how many Catholics become cannibals on Sunday, I'm surprised there isn't an Atkins Friendly communion wafer by now.)
Those are free for the taking, and they have some nice "No Atheist In a Foxhole" propaganda in them, too.
Anyway, it is becoming increasingly common to see just the New Testament. If you watch Kirk Cameron on his ridiculous TV show (the one where he goes up to random dickheads and tells them they aren't worthy enough to eat god's feces) he only pulls crap out of the NT.
And, as I sit here, I am struggling to recall when he has EVER used OT for anything. Kind of hard to talk about a loving god, when three hundred pages before he was murdering babies.
Ty
gilly54
May 8, 2004, 01:05 AM
the buybull's authors are referring to the 12 cranial nerves? LOL Imagine a group of goat herders dissecting heads, a la gross anatomy class. "Ezekiel! I think I've foundeth another one! Oh, wait, aw shucketh, it terminated in the lateral rectus muscle of the eye, so verily it is the abducens."
I'm curious, buddahead, what is the allegory or parable or whatever, for the numbingly long explanation in Leviticus of how to deal with leprosy,( putting drops of blood on the right big toe, the right ear and the right thumb, etc)?
DougP
May 8, 2004, 01:16 AM
No, God does not kill because God does not exist.
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MachineGod
May 8, 2004, 11:57 PM
I think you would first have to distinguish the difference between what it means to kill, and what it means to murder.
I think he kills (to put to death or deprive of life), but he also makes life.
I don't think he murders (unjustified killing or slaughter with malicious intent).
Alot of people make the mistake of reading a passage in the bible and seeing it for cruelty. However, they don't realize what it is these people may have really done. What may seem like no big deal to us may be a very grievous evil in the sight of God.
Even such to the man who was stoned to death for gathering sticks on the Sabbath. (Seems absurd no?) Yet from the very first of the bible to the end, this Sabbath shows great significance.
For just a small example, in the sight of God the non-observance of this commandment may be an even greater than a sin of lust or murder. Lust and murder are usually sins of spontaneous passion or hatred, while a sin of the Sabbath is a calm, decisive action.
Besides, what is death to a being that lives forever and ever, and has the power to give you life again even after he takes it away.
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